Andros Payne talks to Ross Butler about the holy grail of private equity value creation: a systematic, quantitative approach to cultural and behavioural change. 

What makes businesses work well? Andros Payne is an engineer and entrepreneur who has spent two decades codifying and benchmarking the behaviours of senior and middle managers that are proven to drive growth and underpin cohesive and healthy cultures. 

His firm, Humatica, has worked with some of the leading private equity firms in applying the methodology to their portfolio companies. 

In this Fund Shack podcast, he explains how he has managed to make objective and transparent a conundrum that was long thought to be hopelessly subjective.